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December 05, 2008
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APTA > About APTA > APTA Committees > Universal Transit Farecard Standards (UTFS) Task Force  

UTFS Fare Media Committee

Conference Call Minutes Sep 22, 2003

Participants:

Henry Rosen (Chair), PATH

Margaret Walker, ERG

Joe Simonetti (Vice Chair), Metavante

Walt Bonneau, 3PCI

Lisa Bucci, Scheidt & Bachmann

Ed Pollan, LTK Consulting

Steve Frew, SAMTRANS

Bob Murray, BART

David Dick, WMATA

Dave Phelps, APTA

Anita Wolf, Cubic

Tim Weisenberger, Volpe

Tracy Rosier, CTA

 

Goals and Objectives:

  • Re-engage the Fare Media Committee
  • Report work status from group leaders.
  • IP Policy Update
  • Web Site Update

Henry stated that the main goal of the call was to re-engage the committee after several months of inactivity. Henry stated that there are various administrative changes happening in the UTFS program, but this call was not the time to delve into them. Other goals of the call were to present updates of the IP Policy and of the program web site. Finally, reports from the three remaining work groups would be given.

 

Intellectual Property (IP):

Dave Phelps updated the participants on the latest developments concerning APTA’s IP policy.

The final draft IP policy was sent electronically for Task Force Ballot on Sep 5 and ballots are due Sep 26.

The policy will be presented at the Rail CEO Steering Committee on Sep 28. Tom Parker and APTA will request approval to use the policy on an interim basis until final approval by the CEOs.

Comments are due by close of business on Tuesday May 27. They must be sent to all persons listed on the comment sheet.

Dave stated that the final draft IP policy was distributed to the Task Force balloting group by email on Sep 5 for ballot. The ballots are due back Sep 26. The policy will be presented to the Rail CEOs Steering Committee on Sep 28 and at that time, Tom Parker and APTA will request approval of the CEOs to use the policy on an interim basis immediately. The next step in the process is approval by the Rail CEOs Steering Committee.

The core of the policy is that any entity that submits a source document containing Intellectual property will retain the rights to the IP, but will make the IP available on a royalty free basis.

Dave is developing "IP 101" training for Task Force, Committee and Work Group leaders. The training will cover the policy and its implementation and use.

 

Web Site:

Procedures for posting documents to the Web Site:

  1. Email documents to Dave Phelps and Tonie Hankins of APTA
  2. State exactly what page on which to post the document
  3. State what label the link should have

APTA can convert files to PDF is desired. Allow 12-24 hours for APTA webmaster to post documents.

Tim stated that the web site is now fully functional and ready for use to assist the committees and work groups in their work. Comments to the site have been received and more are welcome, but the various pages are ready for posting documents. Tim distributed the location of the site and the process for posting to it via email on Sep 19. Dave Phelps and Tonie Hankins of APTA are the points of contact for posting.

Directions for posting are to send document(s) to Dave and Tonie, describe exactly what page on which to post the document, what label the link should have and if APTA should convert the document to a PDF file. Dave asked everyone to allow 12-24 hours for posting.

 

 

Work Group Reports:

 

Procedural Work Group- Ed Pollen

Comments to Procurement Procedures Document have been received.

 

Magnetic Fare Media Work Group- Bob Murray

The work group has three separate documents it is working on:

  1. Ticket Specification Document
  2. Test Document
  3. Magnetic Ticket Data

Bob stated he needs more reviewers and contributors and specifically needs an expert on printing inks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Research Work Group- Walt Bonneau

Ver 1.3.2 of the Trends in Electronic Fare Media will be distributed. This version corrects some oversights in inclusion of comments.

The group will remain on hold until informed of the procedure for final resolution of comments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tim must engage APTA Staff to determine a plan for document upkeep.

Ed Pollan stated that the Procurement Procedures document was released for comment several months ago and all comments have been received. The next step for the work group is to meet and assimilate those comments using the comment resolution form.

 

 

 

The Work group last met on June 17. There are three documents the group is working on.

The first is a Ticket Specification document written by Alan Davidson. This document must be further developed into a specification. It was more of a guideline. Bob Reavis of BART re-wrote the document to parallel the ISO standards.

The second is a Test document. This document was written by Traci Rozier of CTA and is a very good document. It is currently on hold until the Ticket Spec is complete.

The Third is a Magnetic Ticket Data document which was written by Bob Murray and Cubic. The document contains both data and magnetic recording information, but must be split into these two distinct parts.

The plan is to continue to work on the documents and release them internally to the work group members for review and comment.

Joe Simonetti asked Bob how he wants to proceed and what help he needs. Bob replied that he would like more contributors and reviewers. He also said he needs an expert in printing inks. Finally, he said it must be determined how the various tracks will be laid down- will they be according to ISO or some other method.

 

Walt reported that the "Trends" document was released for comment to the committee as well as the task force members. The work group worked to assimilate comments to the document in June-July. Version 1.3.1 was released along with the Comment Resolution form was released to the group with this version.

Comments were inserted when there was a rewording stated. Those comments that were not included in the document were those that didn’t provide a proposed fix. For example, those comments that stated that it is inappropriate to include materials from contributors were not inserted. Walt stated that it is common to give contributors credit for their submissions in the final document.

Walt stated that there were several oversights in including comments and that these oversights were corrected in Ver 1.3.2. This document was submitted for distribution. The group is on hold until final resolution of comments.

Ed Pollan asked to discuss the issue of references more broadly. He asked if best practices should note contributors. Walt stated that this is the case in other standards bodies and even non-standards bodies. Ed asked for clarification of different references:

  1. Those entities that authored the document
  2. Those references that merely reference a source.

Walt stated that acknowledgements are stated because those entities authored the document. It was noted that this issue would be discussed with APTA and the Task Force leadership.

Walt asked what the next steps are for the document approval. Tim stated that the comments must be fully resolved. Joe spoke about the post-issuance steps and asked Walt his view about document updates. Walt stated that he believed an annual update was necessary for the document to keep its value. A question for APTA was raised on this point: Should the document update plan be stated in a preamble to the document? Tim will follow up with APTA on this.

 

Role of Fare Media Committee in UTFS Program

Lisa Bucci asked what the future role of the committee was in the program. Joe Simonetti stated that he and Henry acknowledge there are various changes in the program, but they felt this was an inappropriate time to discuss them as they have not been distributed officially and APTA nor Tom Parker were on the call to discuss. He stated that the next committee meeting was the appropriate time to discuss this.

Further Discussion on IP Policy

Lisa Bucci initiated a discussion of the appropriateness of the procedures followed for the development of the IP Policy. She stated that she felt that it wasn’t an appropriate consensus process. The comments were solicited and then assimilated as APTA saw fit. Joe, Henry and Tim stated that this call was not the appropriate forum for discussing this. The proper forum is an off-line discussion with APTA staff, specifically Dave Phelps. Lisa wished there to be a forum for voters and to use parliamentary procedure. It was stated that use of a comment resolution form may help to process. Tim took on the action of informing Dave Phelps that Lisa wished to speak directly with him on this issue.

Wrap Up:

  • Tim will contact Dave Phelps to inform him of Lisa Bucci’s desire to speak with him regarding the IP Policy.
  • Tim, Joe and Henry will determine a final review procedure for the "Trends" document
  • Tim will engage APTA staff to determine an appropriate plan to update and maintain "Trends" document
  • Magnetic and Procedural Work groups will meet to discuss their works in progress.
  • The Committee’s next conference call will be held on Tuesday, Oct 14 at Noon Eastern time.

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