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UTFS Financial Management Committee Meeting Minutes

TeleMeeting Minutes: July 18, 2005

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Universal Transit Farecard Standards (UTFS) Program

Financial Management Committee

TeleMeeting Minutes: July 18, 2005

Participants:

Chung-Chung Tam (Chair), CTA

Leisa Moniz, USDOT/Volpe Center

Rick Barrett (Vice-Chair), Quattran Associates

 

Francis Christian, Innovision Research & Technology

 

Gary Lington, Parson

 

Barney Louie, BART

 

Craig Maxey, WMATA

 

Bob Murray

 

Tomas Oliva, TriMet

 

Darshana Patel, CTA

 

Gary Yamamura, Three Point Consulting

 

 

Roll Call and Goals and Objectives

eisa Moniz opened the meeting with a roll call. Chung-Chung Tam outlined the goals and objectives for the meeting.

Meeting Goals & Objectives:

  • Update on UTFS By-Law Revision, IP Policy and Scope Statement
  • Work Group leaders report-out
  • Update on CEN
  • Update on TCIP
Since Martin Schroeder was not present on the call, Tam proceeded to the Work Group leader report-outs: 
Work Group Leader Report-outs:Tam congratulated Tomas Oliva on his new position as leader of WP#1.

Work Package #1, Tomas Oliva:

  • New leadership for WP#1, Tomas Oliva, TriMet was voted to replace Alex Pi who resigned;
  • Gary Yamamura is leader of the Comment Resolution sub-group

 

Alexander Pi has resigned as leader of WP#1 and left the employment of Scheidt and Bachmann. Tomas Oliva, TriMet has assumed the leadership position after a vote from the group.

Tomas summarized the activities of WP#1 as follows:

Two WP#1 meetings have been held since the last Financial Management Committee meeting.

Gary Yamamura has agreed to take over as lead of the Comment Resolution Subgroup from Alex Pi.

The Comment Resolution subgroup is undertaking a "final" review of the overall document to ensure that the document, and objects within the Standard are compatible. It was agreed that the subgroup would complete the second review and submit any comments to the Chair no later than Friday, July 22nd. The next Comment Resolution Subgroup teleconference will be held on Tuesday, July 26th. This process is taking longer than originally planned and therefore, it appears that there will be at least a month's delay to the project schedule.

The WP#1 group felt that the specification title that is currently being used does not reflect very well what the Standard is about. Since the WP#1 document is one part (card data format) of the broader interface specification, which includes WP#4 (system interface messages), and potentially other areas, such as security, the WP#1 group agreed that the name should reflect this, such that the overall standard has a name, and the WP#1 document is one part of the standard. For example, the overall standard might be something like "Transit Smartcard System Interface Standard" and the WP#1 document would be "Part 1 - Card Data Format". The WP#1 group has been asked to submit to the Chair their suggested names for the overall standard and the WP#1 document part of the standard by the next meeting. The suggestions can then be discussed at the next meeting. Once a new title is agreed to, it will be submitted to APTA for consideration. Tomas Note: Perhaps WP4 should go through the same exercise.

Work Package #3, Gary Yamamura:

  • APTA needs to distribute Security Guidelines document for final approval.
Security Guidelines document was submitted to APTA on June 15th. Martin Schroeder has an action item to distribute to leadership for approval.

Work Package #4, Barney Louie and Gary Yamamura:

  • Card Initialization Sub-group has met and will offer recommendations/comments on next WP#4 call, scheduled for Wednesday, July 20th at 11:30 AM
  • PANYNJ has posted final version of RIS, Part 4 on PANYNJ website, http://www.panynj.gov/ris
  • APTA has also received copy of RIS, Part 4

Since David McIwraith and Ed Barnette were not present on the call, Barney Louie and Gary Yamamura provided an update.

Card Initialization/Issues Messages subgroup led by Neal Huffman, Alliance Data Systems has met several times via conference call and has compiled comments that will be put forth to the WP#4 membership for review/approval. This action should occur on the next call of WP#4 scheduled for Wednesday, July 20th at 11:30 AM. Once these comments have been reviewed/revised/approved, the next sub-group to meet will be Card Use Transaction Message subgroup. This subgroup is led by Lisa Bucci, S&B.

Gary Yamamura indicated that the PANYNJ has completed its latest version of RIS, Part 4 and has submitted to APTA on July 1, 2005.

The document can also be found on the PANYNJ website at http://www.panynj.gov/ris

CEN Update, Tam:

  • CEN IFMS Meeting in London, September 5-6, 2005
  • ISO/CEN Meeting in Portland, OR on October 31- November 2, 2005

Tam served as the US representative at the recent CEN meeting in Oslo, Norway.

US put forth a request to CEN that a crossreference table be established that details the UTFS accomplishments.

Additionally, the CEN delegates indicated that the translate of IFMS, Part 1 to German and French may take up to 6 months.

Even with this time frame, Tam indicated that a vote on IFMS, Part 1 at the ISO/CEN meeting scheduled for October 31 – November 2 in Portland, OR. Tam also indicated the need to get Toll agencies involved in the discussion, particularly with regards to the transaction data and back-end component of electronic toll collection.

CEN will also have a meeting in London, on September 5-6th to discuss IFMS. Tam indicated that CEN is unsure if Part 2 (Data messaging) will go forward.

TCIP Update, Tam:

  • TCIP Version 2.7.1 has been released – comments due August 15, 2005.
  • APTA still needs to resolve issues between UTFS/TCIP.

Technical Working Group members of TCIP should of received from APTA the most recent version, 2.7.1.

If you did not receive this information, and are interested in reviewing this version, please contact Tam.

APTA still needs to resolve the TCIP/UTFS issues and any future coordination between the two programs.

SAVE THE DATE – Fare Systems and Programs Committee (formerly Revenue Management Committee) will be meeting on Sunday, September 25th from 2-4 PM, Dallas, TX prior to APTA Annual Meeting.

Next Meeting of the Financial Management Committee is scheduled for Monday, August 22nd at 12 NOON Eastern Time.

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