Task Force Leadership Conference Call Minutes
From June 4, 2004:
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Participants:
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Tom Parker (TF Chair), BART
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Greg Garback (Spec. Ind. Liaison), WMATA
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Carol Wise (Operations Chair), COTA
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Tom Peacock, APTA
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Henry Rosen (Fare Media Chair), PATH
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Leisa Moniz, Volpe
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Joe Simonetti (Fare Media Vice-Chair), Metavante
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Via Teleconference:
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Rick Barrett (Fin Mgmt Vice-Chair), Quattran
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Tim Weisenberger, Volpe
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Dave Phelps, APTA
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Tim Weisenberger did the roll call.
Goals and Objectives:
Tom Parker stated that the goals for the call were to get an IP Policy update,
hear Committee reports determine issues related to completion of program deliverables,
discuss budget issues, finalize the Rail CEO presentation and discuss a strategy
for testing, maintenance, certification and accreditation of UTFS standards.
Tim stated that Dave Phelps began discussing a major IP Policy issue with
those on the teleconference that should be discussed first. All agreed.
IP Policy Update
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There will be no votes that in the IP Policy recirculation ballot
if the policy is not revised to allow royalty fees on IP included in
the program standards.
After lengthy discussion, the leadership unanimously agreed to recommended
to the Rail CEO Steering Committee that the IP Policy remain as developed-
that is with no royalty fees allowed. APTA agreed with this position.
Action Item: Greg Garback will investigating how the Dept of Defense
deals with IP in the Common Access Card program.
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Dave Phelps stated that there has been an impasse in the resolution
of IP Policy comments. Two vendors have asserted that they have significant
issue with the royalty-free stance of the policy and would cast a no
vote in the recirculation ballot. Dave stated that it is APTA staff’s
recommendation (specifically his and Tony Kouneski’s) to allow royalty
fees for IP included in the program deliverables with a no-royalty fee
option available. Dave stated that this is standard practice in other
standards bodies such as ANSI and IEEE, from which this policy was derived.
Dave cited several reasons for the suggestion he made to revise the
policy the vendors’ positions, chiefly:
1.It would attain a unanimous vote
2. It would ensure that the state of the art was included in the standard.
These were discussed at length and determined that there was doubt
to the validity of the points and certainly not strong enough to revise
the policy to allow inclusion of royalty fees.
The group stated that this was very unexpected and that the policy
has been in development for 1-11/2 years with the idea that it would
not allow royalty-fees for any IP asserted. It was pointed out that
all the public transit agencies supported this as well as the majority
of vendors. Tom Peacock joined the meeting a bit late and when apprised
of the issue, agreed that it would be counter-productive to reverse
course now.
Greg Garback took on the action item of investigating how the Dept
of Defense deals with IP in the Common Access Card program.
The leadership unanimously recommended to APTA staff that the program
leadership and staff advisors recommend to the rail CEO Steering Committee
that the IP Policy remain as developed- that is with no royalty fees
allowed. APTA staff supported the position and stated that it is the
Task Force leadership’s role to make this recommendation.
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Committee Updates
Operations- Carol Wise
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Operations Committee Steering Committee developed an RFP for consulting
support that was delivered to APTA staff in March
Due to a budget shortfall, the RFP will be reduced to $40K and will
be 24 calendar weeks in duration. A phased approach will be used. If
all work cannot be performed within the $40K budget, further phases
can be directed if funds are available.
The APTA Bus CEOs Committee will be approached to gain monetary
support. Tom Parker will engage Bill Mooney of CTA and must develop
a "sales pitch".
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Carol gave a brief history of the struggle of the committee as well
as the establishment of a steering committee with new goals and the
generation of an RFP for a consultant support contract. This contract
was submitted to APTA in March.
APTA staff and Tom Parker stated that they are making several recommendations
regarding the RFP do to a $60K budget shortfall that exists. The budget
was set without knowledge that Operations Committee would need a $75K
contract. Tit was suggested that the content should remain as is, but
that the work be phased so that the first phase fits within the budget
and that subsequent phases would be awarded on a discretionary basis
(based on funds available). Dave made specific comments:
- Mandate that the prospective bidders review the entire work plan.
- Couple the RFP deliverables to the work plan deliverables
- Change the 24weeks of effort to a 24 calendar week duration to complete
work
- Change the contract amount to $40K
Dave thought that perhaps a vendor will bid to perform the entire package
of work within the $40K budget. If not, the respondents could bid on
what they could perform within the $40K budget and the other deliverables
would be optional and at the discretion of APTA/Task Force leadership
to fund if funds are available.
Tom peacock asked if this was the most efficient use of limited funds.
He sees that travel reimbursement and face-to-face meetings are achieving
results. If the RFP is more important, we can trim budget from these
items. There was general agreement that he meetings and travel reimbursement
are efficient uses of available funds.
Carol reiterated that the RFP was structured to complete deliverables
by the end of 2004. She stated that if the budget for the RFP is scaled
back, not all deliverables will be complete in that timeframe.
Tom Parker stated that Tom Margro directed him to secure funding from
the Bus CEOs committee. Tom also stated that Tony Kouneski and he are
developing a method for engaging them. Joe Simonetti suggested that
Bill Mooney is now on the Bus and since he is a champion of the program,
he should be engaged. Tom stated that he needed to develop a "sales
pitch" for he and Bill to use.
The bottom line is that the Operations Committee RFP must be phased
due to lack of funding. Tom directed the committee to review Dave Phelps’
comments and when complete, the RFP can be advertised.
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Fare Media Committee- Henry Rosen
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The Fare Media Committee next meets on June 21
The "Farecard Procurement Procedures" document final comments
due today. Committee will discuss at their next meeting.
The Magnetics WG approved the ISO 15457 standard as a baseline for
their document. Data elements must be developed.
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Henry reported: that the next Fare Media Committee meeting would be
June 21. The primary purpose would be to review the Farecard Procurement
Procedures document.. Specific Work Group activities:
Research WG- completed "Trends" document
The Procedural WG "Farecard Procurement Procedures" document
is in final comment resolution. Paula Faust submitted updated document
with comment resolution form for committee review. Hopefully all comments
can be resolved and a vote called on the June 21 call.
The Magnetic WG approved the use of the ISO 15457 standard as a baseline
for their document. Data elements must be developed in coordination
with WP teams. The next work group call is next week.
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Financial Management Committee- Rick Barrett
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Business Process WG- Deliverable in final edit. Rick B. reviewing
APTA comments.
Systems WG- Developing a consolidated deliverable schedule and coordinating
a program glossary.
Work Package progress:
- WP1- is close to completion of smart card data elements.
- WP2 has not been formed, but a leader must be found and members
solicited.
- WP3- Deliverable to be complete in December ‘04. Coordination
of WP3 security goals and those of WP1 and WP4 is ongoing.
- WP4- Working on the functional description document. Interim
report of finding of Booz Allen is in. Awaiting response from Translink
and WMATA on use of their documents.
Identification of a baseline doc for systems specs development is
a key to completion of the WP4 deliverable. Some technical writing may
be necessary in the future to finalize system spec
Deliverable Schedule:
WP1 and WP3- complete in 2004
WP2- still to be manned up
WP4- TBD, based on BAH study
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Rick reported:
Business Process Work Group
The white paper document is complete and in final edit. Rick is in
process of reviewing APTA comments and will finalize with Gabrielle
B.
Systems WG
Systems WG is developing a consolidated schedule for work deliverables.
Also underway is coordination of a program glossary. Tim W. is leading
in this coordination. Additionally, the WG is monitoring the progress
of the work package teams.
Work Package 1 is close to completion of smart card data elements.
Coordination necessary with Magnetic Fare Media WG.
WP2 has not been formed, but a leader must be found and members solicited.
At this point it is an internal Fin Mgmt Comm. issue. TF leadership
does not need to get involved.
WP3 has a goal of completion of a security guideline document by the
end of the year. There must be coordination of what this team does and
what security work must be included in WP1 and WP4. Coordination is
ongoing.
WP4 is working on the functional description document. The interim
report of finding of Booz Allen is in. The final report is expected
in one month. If a baseline document cannot be identified in this report,
the WP4 team will have a longer, more difficult job developing technical
specs. There may be a need to engage technical writing assistance to
complete the technical specs document. It was noted that David McIlwraith
is leaving ERG and joining BAH. There is a June target date for WP1
final draft card specification document. David has offered to step down
as leader, but the WP4 team didn’t feel this was necessary.
Tom Peacock asked if there was a "gut reaction" to the interim
BAH study. Rick replied that it was too early for one. Leisa noted that
all document studied are not in the current report. Specifically a WMATA
source document and a Translink source document are still not included
pending IP related issues being resolved.
Joe Simonetti asked if interim deliverables from the WP teams are available.
Rick stated that WP4’s can be. WP 1 and 3 are still internal to the
teams at this point.
Deliverable Schedule:
WP1 and WP3- complete in 2004
WP2- still to be manned up
WP4- TBD, based on BAH study
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Special Industry Liaison: Greg Garback
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Two Pending action items for the UTFS leadership:
- Framing the agreement between the IAB and APTA
- A position on how to work with the financial industry
There is an interesting I-95 Corridor Coalition project to observe,
the Northern Shenandoah Valley Public Mobility Program
Next Steps in IAB Coordination:
- Frame common issues
- Share technical outputs
- Formalize relationship memorandum of understanding or similar
tool
Next Steps in Financial Industry Outreach/Cooperation:
- Explore options to work together from a business standpoint and
a technical standpoint
- Effectively reach out to the financial sector to establish more
formal collaborative relationships.
- M/C, Visa, AMEX
- Key banks
Action Item: Greg took on the action item of developing a 1-page
business plan for the leadership team to review
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Greg reported that there are two action items pending for the TF leaders:
- Framing the agreement between the IAB and APTA
- A position on how to work with the financial industry
Greg stated that there is an interesting project in the I-95 Corridor
Coalition in the Northern Shenandoah Valley Public Mobility Program.
It entails
- Integrated paratransit service delivery - smart card based
- Integrated back-end system for
- Service delivery for routes and appropriate vehicles
- Address special needs of passengers; confidentiality
- Billing appropriate supporting agencies for trips
It will be monitored on the state of Virginia’s ITS website and the
I-95 CC website. Greg will provide those links.
IAB Coordination
The IAB has formally established a link with APTA
at technical and policy levels, but a formal agreement is needed.
This memorandum of understanding would describe how the two groups would
work together.
The thought from transit is that there would be a transit application
on a government credential. Greg has arranged a meeting on June 9 with
Tony Cieri (IAB), Sean Ricketson (FTA), and Bill Menser (DOT). Tim has
an action item due of developing a one-page draft of an MOU by Monday.
This should include points such as aligning technology solutions, aligning
development efforts and sharing goals and objectives.
Greg asked for input from the group on how to approach the June 9 meeting.
Discussion ensued resulting in suggestions to propose a joint task force
with shared deliverables, to propose a pilot project entailing loading
a transit application on a government credential and exploring any help
the IAB could provide on Intellectual Property issues. With respect
to the last point, it was noted that the IAB includes pre-approved vendors
for government credential projects such as Maximus, Accumen, and Northrup.
The next steps are:
- Frame common issues
- Share technical outputs
- Formalize relationship memorandum of understanding or similar tool
Financial Sector Coordination
Greg stated that there is significant interest from financial sector
in public transport. There are contactless payment systems from AEXP,
MC and VISA and member banks jumping on bandwagon. In short, there is
partnership potential
Greg stated there were two issues related to financial sector coordination:
- From a UTFS standpoint, there must be parallel paths. Must be able
to work together from a business standpoint and a technical standpoint
- Need to overcome technical and operational barriers
- Share work products and specifications
- How to do outreach with the financial sector. How does UTFS reach
M/C, Visa, AMEX, as well as key banks and establish more formal collaborative
relationships
Joe Simonetti stated that Greg’s points were appropriate; they must
understand transit first. The WMATA pilot with Citibank was discussed
as a good learning ground. Joe also stated that specific next steps
must be agreed to. Discussion centered on developing a schedule of visiting
various financial industry organizations for one-on-one meetings.
Greg took on the action item of developing a 1-page business plan for
the leadership team to review.
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Action Items
- Tim W.- Draft
a letter of understanding from APTA to IAB regarding ongoing coordination
between the programs and submit to APTA, Greg G. and Tom Parker (Complete)
- Greg G.- Draft a one page business plan for engaging the financial
industry.
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