Task Force Leadership Conference Call Minutes
From August 12, 2004:
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Participants:
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Tom Parker (TF Chair), BART
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Greg Garback (Spec Ind Liaison), WMATA
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Rick Barrett, (Fin Mgmt Vice-Chair), Quattran
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Dave Phelps, APTA
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Chung-Chung Tam (Fin Mgmt Chair), CTA
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Tom Peacock, APTA
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Henry Rosen (Fare Media Chair), PATH
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Leisa Moniz, Volpe
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Mary Beth Cobleigh-Beal (Ops Co-Chair), CTA
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Tim Weisenberger, Volpe
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Goals and Objectives:
The goals for the call were to get an IP Policy update, hear Committee reports
and discuss WP1 specification approval process.
Budget Update
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Total non-committed funds available as of Aug 1 is $147K
A $5,000 extension to the BAH study to address the RIS Part 4 document
was approved.
Tony K. will pursue additional program funding from the Bus CEO
Committee.
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Tom Peacock reported:
The budget numbers improved from the Apr 15 update because the Operation
Committee RFP was reduced to $40K. The total available funds as of Aug
1 (non-committed funds) is $147K
Tam stated that as he understands, BAH has requested an extension of
the study to include RIS part 4 document. Tom hadn’t seen anything from
them yet. Rick stated that they will ask for an additional $5K for this
work. Tom asked the group if it was appropriate to grant the expanded
work request. The group said it was.
Tom also stated that Tony Kouneski will pursue additional funding from
the Bus CEOs Committee. Tom spoke with Ron Barnes, who is the APTA Vice
Chair for Bus and he suggested it may be do-able.
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IP Policy Update
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There would be 'NO' votes in the IP recirculation ballot if the
Policy stands as in the current draft.
The nature of the accommodation reached would not change the provisions
of the IP Policy, but rather is in the scope of the applicability of
the Policy
The IP issues that vendors have are linked to the scope of the technical
work.
The reduced scope will achieve interoperability but not vendor neutrality.
Next steps are:
- A meeting with TF leaders, APTA, and key stakeholders at APTA
HQ. This meeting will be mid-September.
- Once all agree to the policy, it will be presented to the Rail
CEOs Committee on Oct 10 and request policy be implemented on interim
basis
- Task Force Ballot
- Formal implementation
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Dave reported:
Resolution of the IP Policy issues continues to be a "work in progress",
but significant steps forward occurred last week. As background, the
draft prepared in the spring was acceptable only with great reluctance
to ERG and unacceptable to one vendor. This was reported to the CEOs
in Miami on June 6.
There have been several discussions with the vendor to resolve the
problem, culminating in an all day meeting last Thursday, Aug. 4 attended
by Tom Parker, Tony Kouneski and Dave. The result, APTA believes, is
that there is now have the basis of an accommodation. The nature of
the accommodation would not change the provisions of the IP Policy,
but rather is in the scope of the applicability of the Policy. The results
of the meeting and the accommodation are being documented.
Once everyone is in agreement on the outcome of the 8/5 meeting, the
following are the next steps:
- APTA will call a face to face meeting approximately the second week
of September to review the agreement, and the IP Policy with key stakeholders,
Task Force Leadership, senior APTA staff, and others as deemed appropriate.
- Assuming the policy is acceptable to all, it will be presented to
the Rail CEOs committee Oct 10 in Atlanta and get their permission
to implement the policy on an interim basis
- Submit the Policy to a formal TF ballot.
- Format implementation.
The interim implementation will include letters of acknowledgement
from all UTFS participants.
There were extensive discussions of the fact that the scope of the
technical documents in the program is tied to the IP concerns of the
vendors. The definition and scope of the interfaces between card reader
and reader and operator system are the key. There is a proposed change
in approach. The TF leaders worked to ensure that all program goals
are met.
The original program goals were, among others, to have interoperability
within and between regions and the prevent agencies from being "locked
into" vendors due to technology non-compatibility issues. The baseline
for the program is ISO compliance. The reduction in scope that is being
proposed by one vendor member will achieve interoperability, but not
the vendor neutrality goals. The TF leaders are being forceful in maintaining
a scope that will achieve all goals set out for the program.
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Committee Updates
Financial Management Committee- Chung-Chung Tam
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Rick suggested that WP1, 3, and 4 continue to complete their work
and begin WP2 to address reader-central computer interface.
It was suggested that if PANYNJ will develop a reader portion of
the RIS, should UTFS use that document to review and edit?
Tam is trying to coordinate TCIP and UTFS with the CEN IFM document.
A workshop is proposed for September. WP4 will have a face-to-face meeting
in coordination with this workshop.
Work Package Updates:
WP1 will send their spec to a Committee ballot approximately Sep
15
WP3 has been experiencing participation issues, is still on schedule
for a Dec 04 completion.
WP4 will potentially have a face-to-face meeting in coordination
with the CEN-UTFS workshop proposed in September.
PANYNJ will submit RIS to ANSI/ISO. Should APTA address this to
coordinate efforts?
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Discussion was an extension of the scope and IP discussion. Rick asked
if it was the intention to complete Work Packages 1, 3, and 4 and then
begin WP2 to develop the reader-Operator Central Computer interface?
It was discussed that the PANYNJ may develop this piece as a next step
for the RIS. Perhaps PANYNJ can write this document and WP2 can be a
review/edit technical working group similar to the way WP1 edited the
RIS.
Tam added that the ISO TC204 WAG 8 has published the Interoperable
Fare Management Part 1 draft developed by CEN. WP4 has reviewed it and
hopes to use it in their work and to work with CEN moving forward.
Tam also wants to gage the applicability to TCIP and UTFS. The CEN
group members engage "mirror" groups in their home countries
and this would provide a US mirror group. Need FTA approval for this
and funding is an issue (at FTA). The group agreed that this would be
a good arrangement.
Work Package Activities:
WP1 will send their spec to a Committee ballot approximately Sep 15
WP3 has been experiencing participation issues, but Gary Yamamura has
taken the lead of the document sections not being worked on to date.
Still on schedule for a Dec 04 completion.
WP4 will potentially have a face-to-face meeting in coordination with
the CEN-UTFS workshop proposed in September.
Tam also stated that he understand that the PANYNJ will submit RIS
to ANSI/ISO. He suggested that APTA might want to address this to coordinate
efforts.
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Fare Media Committee- Henry Rosen
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The Fare Media Committee next meets on Aug 23
The "Farecard Procurement Procedures" document was approved
on 7/19, but final comments must be resolved.
The Magnetics WG having trouble achieving quorums at meetings. Tim
W. will work with Rich Lobron to send individual email to WG distribution
confirming their desire to participate.
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Henry reported: that the next Fare Media Committee meeting would be
Aug 23. The primary purpose would be to review final comment resolution
of the Farecard Procurement Procedures document prior to submitting
to Task Force ballot.
The Magnetic WG is having a difficult time achieving quorums on their
teleconferences. The last 2 calls were void due to lack of participation.
Tim W. will work with Rich Lobron to send individual emails to all those
on the WG distribution list confirming their desire to participate.
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As a final note, Tim stated that Michael Sprague of PANYNJ would like to
invite all appropriate UTFS members to a demonstration of the RIS on Aug 24
in Washington DC. Tim will give him contact info for all TF leaders, as well
as APTA program managers. The demo was presented in New York for approximately
130 people and was a great success. It showed interoperability between multiple
vendors’ cards and readers including full feature and limited use cards. Transaction
times were all under 250 miliseconds.
The next TF Leadership call is scheduled for Thursday, Aug 26 at Noon
Eastern Time.
Action Items
- Tim W.- Communicate with Michael Sprague and send contact info
for all TF leaders and APTA PMs for the RIS demo in Washington DCV on
Aug 24.
- Dave Phelps- Finalize IP Policy draft and meeting minutes and
schedule a final IP Policy meeting for mid-September.
- Dave Phelps-Send scanned version of Systems WG letter to Tim
for distribution
- Tim W.- Distribute Systems WG letter to TF leaders.
- Tom Parker- Send Tim information on mid-September
IP Policy meeting.
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